WARNING for those who want to mention Abandonware:
Posted 23 September 2007 - 02:46 PM
To be honest, I think it's fair to say Vivendi won't take anyone to court or shut down this site or anything. Yes, maybe they could if they wanted to, but in every other instance of Abandonware or Fanware relating to Vivendi's intellectual property, Vivendi, LucasArts, and anyone else you can name, has only said "Please stop doing this." Believe me, no business--particularly one that's publicly traded and has to justify its expenses to its shareholders--is going to spend hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of dollars, when they can just tell you to stop spreading their Abandonware. Businesses tend to want to avoid legal battles because of all the costs involved. So much so that most businesses make it a habit to settle matters out of court, even in instances in which they know the person suing them has no case (one reason why frivilous lawsuits have become so common in the US now). Also, suing the site owners for money they don't have is similar to taxing the poor. In pretty much all societies, including the notoriously cruel Dark Ages, everyone was expected to pay a tax to the wealthy landowners (barons and so on). But the homeless were always exempt from the tax because people had common sense. It was obvious that taxing people who had nothing wasn't going to reap any rewards. That's basically the same thinking here. Yeah, Vivendi could sue over it, but big businesses NEVER do that. Because they know it's pointless. Honestly, it's so unlikely that Vivendi would take any serious legal action, that it's next to set in stone that they wouldn't. This is just how big businesses work.
Mind you, I don't mean to sound as though I'm criticizing Elsa or Almirena. I think they've put up a great site, and they seem to be pretty helpful to people who post on here. I think what they've done here is great. I'm just saying I think they're taking the whole "No Posting Abandonware Thing" a tad too seriously. And yes, all moderators do it. But it's still taking it too seriously. And yes, I understand why they're doing it. But it's still taking it too seriously. And no, I don't expect them to change their policy based on anything I've posted here. This is just my two cents on the matter. Other people mentioned it was unfair, and I'm only saying I agree. That's all.
Posted 23 September 2007 - 10:38 PM
Edited by Darian Kheynes, 23 September 2007 - 10:39 PM.
- Raymond E. Feist, The King's Buccaneer
Posted 24 September 2007 - 03:34 AM
Posted 24 September 2007 - 12:24 PM
3. We're not changing the rules here. We're happy to help anyone who can prove they legally own the game in question. They don't even need their receipt - a photograph of them holding the original CD is perfectly fine. We will not recommend or support (even tacitly) abandonware.
This isn't a discussion. It's me getting mean and tough, and I will personally swing up by the googlies anyone who transgresses the rules here and posts any sort of link to abandonware if they know we've explicitly said "Don't do that". The swinging up will be over a pit of insane crocodiles who feed on piranha for breakfast. I will also have two sweaty slaves standing by with feather dusters, to mercilessly tickle the soles of he-who-is-suspended-by-the-googlies, for as long as Prometheus continues to have his liver plucked out.
To reiterate, I'm not stopping anyone here from getting as many illegal copies as they want. I'm not a policewoman, I'm not a Vivendi employee, I'm not your conscience, and I'm not tracking what you do. The issue is what's posted here. I'm not bending an iota on this, and the crocodiles are merciless.
Posted 24 September 2007 - 01:15 PM
Edited by iamtheman, 24 September 2007 - 01:17 PM.